Ask The Brewmasters

 View Only
  • 1.  Yeast Propagation

    Posted 11-28-2023 11:12

    We are in the process of installing a new yeast propagation system and through research the only thing I am still unclear on is how much oxygen to add during the process.

    I have read to add O2 or sterile air for anywhere from 6-24 hours, but I have not been able to find any information about a flow rate or a target PPM to stay at for that time period.  I'm assuming 8-10ppm, though I haven't found any definitive information.  Any feedback would be helpful.



    ------------------------------
    Ivan Dedek
    Brewmaster/Food Scientist
    Meier's Creek Brewing
    Cazenovia NY
    ------------------------------


  • 2.  RE: Yeast Propagation

    Posted 11-29-2023 15:58

    Ok this is a long way round but bear with me. Oxygen utilization is tied to biomass and carbon usage. This can all get pretty complicated, especially if you're running a fed batch strategy. Odds are you're just trying to prop up some yeast OG style (tank, wort, add yeast, agitate, harvest) and have it all run its course fermentatively. Now this all depends on the yeast strain but odds are you don't have the ability to do a true aerobic fermentation since it requires that you limit the available carbon under a certain threshold to prevent anaerobic fermentation. To do this you have to introduce new carbon proportional to the present (and ever increasing) biomass. It gets tricky. If you use pure oxygen the yeast can exhibit oxidative stress/damage/distress and I've always run o2 sensors for that reason. But here's the trick, you can never over-oxygenate with air. It's impossible. When starting out reactors I run on sterile air initially because my biomass is low enough that it just works and I don't "burn" my yeast in the crucial initial exponential growth phase. The other benefit of running air is that it blows contaminates out of the vessel and contributes to agitation. When air wasn't able to keep up anymore (about 20g/L in exponential stage) I would switch over to a pair of oxygen concentrators. In typical yeast propagation like you're doing, you won't get over 10g/L so no need to even consider it. The O2 you're providing is going to be supplemental at best, not critical and definitely not enough to shift yeast over to an aerobic metabolism. 

    Another pro tip - yeast cells love high shear agitation. The whole gentle agitation thing just has no real place in reality. I was running rushton turbines for agitation at 2-3000 rpm... you truly don't get much more shear than that and I was able to prop 200-250g of yeast cells/L (we use mass instead of a cell count because it relates to the chemical reactions needed to make it all work. Way easier and yeast cells have all kinds of differences in size but mass is mass - but it's about 5T cells/L)

    TL;DR - use air, run it hard as you an and as long as you want. Make sure it's sterile and make sure you can keep up with the cooling needs. Do use violent agitation and try to get that air as dissolved as possible into the medium. IMOHO, don't even bother with oxygen unless you plan on trying to break the 10g/L (500B cells/L) barrier. 



    ------------------------------
    David Kyrejko
    The Engine Room
    Brooklyn NY
    ------------------------------



  • 3.  RE: Yeast Propagation

    Posted 11-30-2023 11:08

    Hi Ivan,

    I'll second pretty much everything David mentioned in his message. As he touched on, you can get pretty in depth with which variables you control and in what way, but for most propagation processes sterile air will get you where you need to go and keep things from getting too complicated. If you have the time and the resources you can certainly tailor your propagation to the needs of the strain and your specific goals, but for most breweries the best process answer is often the one that is straightforward enough to repeat reliably every time. More variable tweaking means more opportunity for changes in your process from batch to batch.

    I'll also add is that sterile air works great for knocking CO2 (I think this was included in David's mention of 'contaminants') out of solution because you can run it pretty much constantly without risk of oxidative stress. Assuming you're not limiting carbon access during the prop, keep an eye on your gravity too. You want to be sure to cut the air once the yeast has utilized all available carbon (sugar).

    Good luck!



    ------------------------------
    Alex Gruber
    Technical Service
    Imperial Yeast
    Montréal QC
    (438) 873-6910
    ------------------------------



  • 4.  RE: Yeast Propagation

    Posted 11-30-2023 14:57

    Hi David,

    Curious if you have any references documenting how yeast cells benefit from shear mixing.  There are references indicating that yeast cells have a fairly high resistance to shear damage, and plenty of references related to shear damage, but I cannot find any showing benefits.  No question that high-shear mixers are great at increasing the rate of gas transfer into sparged solutions, but there are other options outside of high-shear turbines.

    Cheers, Ashton



    ------------------------------
    Ashton Lewis
    Manager of Training and Technical Support
    BSG Craftbrewing
    MBAA District Great Plains, Technical Chair
    Springfield, Missouri
    (417) 830-2337
    ------------------------------



  • 5.  RE: Yeast Propagation

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 12-03-2023 15:09
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    High shear of yeast will shear off surface proteins including zymolectins and add a haze to the beer (check Stewart and Speers papers). The cells generaly will not lyse but it does some damage.




  • 6.  RE: Yeast Propagation

    Posted 11-29-2023 15:58
    Hey Ivan,
    An excellent resource is the book “The Yeast in the Brewery” by Annemueller, Manger and Lietz. Looks like available here on MBAA website.

    Best
    Phil
    Sent from my iPhone