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  • 1.  Nitrogen carbonation

    Posted 01-13-2025 18:55

    Hi all. I had a great talk with friends this last weekend about carbonating beer with nitrogen to get nitro effect in the pint at the pub while pouring with a creamer. I realized that although I though it was simple, many different procedure where brought forward on how to carbonate to get the perfect nitro pint.

    Can someone provide a reliable and operational procedure to carbonate a beer with beergas so you get the cream effect without using a tank that can hold more than 14.7 psi?

    Thanks

     

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  • 2.  RE: Nitrogen carbonation

    Posted 01-14-2025 10:50

    Three options: all require starting beer to be in the 1.3-1.5 vol CO2 range before processing (depending on beer and desired presentation). I have used all of these in various gigs. 

    1/ in draft line nitrogenation on the way to dispense...there are a number of units available from different manufacturers. Can be $$$'s per line though. 

    2/  bulk inline nitrogenation. Basically an apparatus that takes your beer to very high pressures via a pump into a holding tube and then steps it back to tank pressure after nitrogen saturation. Bucher Denwel make a lovely PLC controlled unit. Alfa Laval used to make one as well. Not sure if they still do. Not sure of costs

    3/ Contactor membrane...Liquicel/Membrana makes a nice piece of kit. Nitrogen infused at molecular level. Not too much $$$'s. adhering to membrane care and cleaning guidelines is critical to long life. Can not use formulated caustic in cleaning/maintenance.

    Ensure your nitrogen is of high purity if you will be expecting a reasonable shelf life after processing. 

    Pax.



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  • 3.  RE: Nitrogen carbonation

    Posted 01-14-2025 13:48
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    Hey Dominic, here's what I did with some success when I wanted to serve an Irish dry stout on nitro:

    1. Carbonate beer to 1.6-1.8 vol CO2. More than 1.8 volumes will lead to excessive foaming and less than 1.6 will lead to a lackluster cascade and head. 
    2. Use nitrogen to keep head pressure on serving tank (or keg). I was instructed to keep the tank (or keg) at 20 psi, tho 14.7 psi may be enough. If I recall the added pressure wasn't about keeping CO2 in solution but was needed for the serving side of the equation. With that in mind, you may be able to get away with 14.7 psi, but you may also need to experiment to get the extra ~5 psi. It may be that 14.7 psi is enough to get a decent cascade of bubbles upon serving, but it may not be as dramatic/cool looking as on an actual nitro system.
    3. Install nitro faucet and pour.
    4. Enjoy nitro beer. 

    A video with the results of this method is attached. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions! 

    Nassim



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  • 4.  RE: Nitrogen carbonation

    Posted 01-14-2025 14:48
    My good friend Bob Bernier gave an excellent webinar on this subject in 2018.  It can viewed here:


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  • 5.  RE: Nitrogen carbonation

    Posted 01-15-2025 17:57

    Just a little background. Nitrogen has very low solubility in beer at practical pressure. Nitrogenated beer typically has 1.1 to 1.7 volumes of carbon dioxide and 60 mg/L (~0.05 volumes) of nitrogen. Because the nitrogen is barely soluble, it is easily released. The gas content of the foam is enriched in nitrogen. Nitrogen is less dense than CO2, so the bubbles are more buoyant. They break off and rise when they are smaller than those of pure CO2 bubbles would be, hence finer foam. Because of the low solubility of nitrogen in the liquid surrounding the bubble, the gas escapes more slowly, hence longer-lasting foam. Because of the lower CO2 concentration, it is necessary to use a tap nozzle that agitates the beer to give foam. Nitrogenation is not suitable for all beer styles. Perception of bitterness is less in nitrogenated beer. Nitrogen is made from air, which is about 20% oxygen, so standard nitrogen can be contaminated with oxygen, which can accelerate staling. Nitrogen used to nitrogenate beer must be highly purified.



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  • 6.  RE: Nitrogen carbonation

    Posted 01-16-2025 14:48

    Hello Dominic,

    I remember struggling with this when we first offered "Nitro Beers" on tap.

    At the end of the day it's much more about the volume of CO2 than it is about the N2. Think of the CO2 as the potatoes and the NO2 as the salt and pepper. Does that weird analogy make sense?

    We find that we need to achieve a carbonation level of approx. 2.0 vols of CO2. for a nice rolling, creamy Nitro pour.

    Nitrogen is not very soluble and not nearly as soluble as CO2. The N2 is more about holding the CO2 in solution until poured as well as not allowing the beer to become over carbonated in the keg.

    We have also found it easier to achieve 1.9 - 2.1 vols of CO2 in the FV vs doing each keg with beer gas individually. That method can be done, but headspace needs to be considered as well as testing the carb level so that it isn't too high or low for your draft line/creamer tap. Too high and you will pour nothing but foam, too low and you will pour beer with no noticeable head or rolling bubble action. 

    When we do this in a 10bbl FV (without a carbonation stone), we will bubble CO2 into the bottom outlet at 18 - 20psi, starting at basically 0psi on the FV. Once the pressure on your FV hits 15psi or your max working pressure, you're done.

    Allow the beer to absorb the CO2 (this can take a few days) and test the level of Carbonation. Although this can be sped up with a carbonation stone, but you will want to carb check a little more often. 

    Like I mentioned earlier, 2.0 vols of CO2 works well for us. 

    Push the beer down the line with a higher blend of N2 to CO2 beer gas. For example 80/20 blends exist, as I believe most beer gas blends are either 60/40 or 70/30. This way it should keep your carbonation level fairly stable assuming you don't set your pressure unreasonably high. 

    Try not to get frustrated because there will be some trial and error as every brewery is different.

    I know it's probably not the Operating procedure you ae looking for, but they are pointers none the less.

    Good luck, hope this helps.



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