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  • 1.  Mold/Mildew on cans

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 07-08-2024 13:48
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Hi Everyone,

    We have used a mobile canning company for years, but over the last few runs, say the last six months, we are getting little mold or mildew spots on the cans, sometimes on the outside of cans, sometimes along the seam under the packteks. It's not every can, or even every SKU, but having to break down, inspect, and clean every case is making us insane. Cardboard case trays are unaffected, and guest cans, non-alcoholics, kombucha and so on don't appear affected.

    So, do we think this is more likely to be a problem with:

    • The rinse shower and air knife of the mobile canning line, either being insufficient or improperly set, and if so, is there something we can do to 2x check it or improve it on our end?
    • Relative humidity and condensation on the cans after filling and stacking. We have been wrapping the pallets, forking them into the cold room, and unwrapping them for storage over there to improve drainage
    • Some particularly pernicious mold has taken root in our cold rooms and the problem lies there? In which case, we have taken all unnecessary cardboard out, we take everything out and clean the walls, ceiling and floor annually, but there's no way we'll ever effectively sanitize every little bit of our cooling fans and evap coils, so what can be done? 

    Any advice appreciated, this is a new one that has been bedeviling us this year. 



  • 2.  RE: Mold/Mildew on cans

    Posted 07-09-2024 13:53

    Some speculations.

    The problem only occurs on alcohol-containing cans, and only those that were filled by the mobile canner. Whisky fungus thrives on alcohol vapors. It is possible that the problem is on the canner's truck. 



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    Roger Barth
    Author (with M Farber) of Mastering Brewing Science ISBN 9781119456056
    Retired
    West Chester PA
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  • 3.  RE: Mold/Mildew on cans

    Posted 07-09-2024 13:53

    Hi Anon,

    Are you or have you tried using a quat sanitizer in the cold room?  Cold rooms are known to have mold issues and quat sanitizers are an effective way to keep mold in check when used on a regular basis.  It will take more than just an annual cleaning. Biweekly sanitizing would likely be more effective to keep the mold from growing.

    Hope this helps.  Please let me know if you have any questions or need additional information.

    Dana



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    Dana Johnson He/Him
    Sector Specialist, Craft Brewing
    Diversey - A Solenis Company
    Henderson, CO
    800.233.1000
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  • 4.  RE: Mold/Mildew on cans

    Posted 07-09-2024 14:44

    We also find mold developing on the outside of our can's when stored for 2+ months in our cold box.  We have yet to see this happening with any product in the market place.  Only when stored in our own cold box for an extended period of time.  Here is what we are doing to try and resolve the issue.

    1) Deep clean of our cold box as there is mold on the refrigerator fans blowing particulates throughout the cold box.

    2) Adding UV to the fans to prevent mold buildup.

    3) Adding more air to dry off cans after they have been filled.  ATP tests on the outside of our cans read 20 to 60 ATP post rinse.  Drying them off more we see ATP numbers drop.

    Any other tips others have would be greatly appreciated. 



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    Chris Hotz
    Quality Manager
    Societe Brewing Co
    San Diego CA
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  • 5.  RE: Mold/Mildew on cans

    Posted 07-10-2024 21:05

    Hi Anonymous,

    This often occurs during humid, hot weather. This combined with cold beer causing cans to sweat leading to mold growth. Maybe you have been experiencing unusually hot and damp weather? If so, a few of possible solutions might be (1) Warm fill or warm the cans after filling to above dew point (2) Store beer in a dehumidified warehouse (< 60% RH?). Speak to an HVAC specialist (3) don't stretch wrap pallets and leave space between them until they equilibrate to ambient conditions.

    Good Luck

    Dan Carey

    New Glarus Brewing



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    Daniel Carey
    Brewmaster
    New Glarus Brewing Company
    New Glarus WI
    (608) 527-5850
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  • 6.  RE: Mold/Mildew on cans

    Posted 07-12-2024 19:17
    Hi Daniel,

    you need always a previous cold water rinser before filling with beer 

    you can also use as alternative CO2 injection to refresh you can