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  • 1.  HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-14-2024 20:33

    Well we were just having some welding done on our 20bbl HLT, few little repairs and upgrades after 12 years of service. One of the big ones was a new port for mounting a spray ball in there to better descale it, as it didn't come with one and our descaling efforts have been pretty hit and miss over the years. Ran it for a couple hours and it was much, much, much better in there. Sweet! Then the leaking began. 

    On further inspection, there were several dozen tiny little stress cracks around the bottom edges of the tank. Presumably stress corrosion cracking where it's most shouldering the load and from a decade of hot/cool/hot/cool. Our water is 18ppm chloride and 28ppm sodium, either due to how the city is treating it or saltwater intrusion into our aquifer (we are on an island after all). Presumably the scale had been plugging the cracks and cleaning opened them up. No good deed goes unpunished I guess. 

    Welders did what they could but I suspect we'll be in whack-a-mole mode from here on out. Any advice on limiting the creeping damage? I read the Stainless Steel in the Brewery article from Volume 38, Number 2 • 2001 • Pages 67-82 which was helpful but also...I'm a tired brewer not a metalurgist. 

    Got me thinking about my boat... Any reason not to stick a sacrificial anode in there? (Aluminum-zinc presumably.) I know that's primarily for galvanic corrosion, but wondering if it would help? If the cracking is from physical stress no, but I gather the cracks often start at sites where pitting or some other corrosion has occurred. Anyhow, any practical advice would be appreciated. Thanks!



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    Russell Everett
    Head Brewer
    Bainbridge Brewing
    Bainbridge Island WA
    (206) 451-4646
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  • 2.  RE: HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-16-2024 12:12

    This is not an uncommon issue. The combination of temperature and chlorides is the root cause, so I don't think a sacrificial anode will work. Chlorides react with chromium destroying the protective passivation layer.   I would normally recommend 316L stainless for HLTs, especially if the local water has a chloride content. From my perspective (and experience) the tank is toast. Your comment on "whack-a-mole mode" is correct. 



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    Brad McQuhae
    König Brewing Systems
    Abbotsford, BC Canada
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  • 3.  RE: HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-19-2024 15:00

    The most likely cause is some form of vibration to the tank, especially if it has a steam jacket or coil.  The jacket or coil act like a steam whistles.  The vibration is transferred to the tank bottom which acts like a soundboard.  Stainless steel is more like cast iron than steel and its crystalline structure will fracture, especially at junctures near the tank supports and the tank bottom.  



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    Peter Takacs
    PT Brewing Consulting
    Victoria TX
    (361) 648-0461
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  • 4.  RE: HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-20-2024 16:30

    Hi Russel,

    The long and short of your issue is that replacement is the best solution because stress corrosion cracking (SCC) cannot be repaired without removal and replacement of damaged material.  The go-to material for hot water tank construction is Duplex 2205 and has been one of the go-to alloys for the last 30 years.  It is a bit more expensive than 316L, an austenitic steel similar to 304 but with 2% molybdenum added for chloride pitting protection, but Duplex 2205 is not prone to SCC like types 316L and 304.  Another alloy used for this application is AL6XN, but due its high alloy cost (6% moly and 24% nickel) and wide availability of 2205 material and nozzles, AL6XN is not often used for water tanks these days.

    Here is a reference from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission website showing that 316L is indeed susceptible to SCC.  The test used is extreme, but typical for this sort of assessment.

    Cheers,

    Ashton



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    Ashton Lewis
    Manager of Training and Technical Support
    BSG Craftbrewing
    MBAA District Great Plains, Technical Chair
    Springfield, Missouri
    (417) 830-2337
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  • 5.  RE: HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-19-2024 13:12

    Yes, unfortunately I have to agree with Bradley. An anode will prevent general corrosion, but not SCC. The cracks are initiated and will keep propagating with the presence of chlorides (although I consider yours to be low) until the stress is removed. Welding them will work but will keep sensitizing the metal in the heat affected zone, making the metal more susceptible to SCC. If you can't afford to replace the tank, then another solution may be to coat the entire bottom of the tank (assuming that's were the problem is) with epoxy, thereby plugging the cracks and removing the environment.

    Good Luck!
    John


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    John Palmer
    Owner
    Palmer Brewing Solutions Inc
    La Crescenta CA
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  • 6.  RE: HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-19-2024 15:02

    Thanks everyone! Yeah, not ideal but it's part of a combi-style system with our MLT on top so replacing it is...not really in the cards right now. On the advice of Dana over at Birko we're going to try a conversion coating passivation today with an acid cip followed by meta-silicate, see if we can get a protective layer down that won't react to chloride as much. Tank hasn't been re-passivated since new so it's high time. I do wonder if there's a food-safe high-temperature epoxy or coating of some kind we could paint around in there. On a whim a few years back we tried spraying a few cans of FlexSeal in our trench drain to deal with cracks that had developed, and it was a spectacular failure. 

    "Make sure your HLT is made out of 316 and has a spray ball" is yet another thing going on my every-growing list of "In my next brewery, sigh...



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    Russell Everett
    Head Brewer
    Bainbridge Brewing
    Bainbridge Island WA
    (206) 451-4646
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  • 7.  RE: HLT stress corrosion cracking: practical solutions?

    Posted 02-20-2024 21:39

    Dear Russell:

    Stress Corrosion Cracking (SCC) is usually caused by a combination of tensile stress, chlorides and other environmental factors like heat, pH, etc.  Unfortunately, austenitic stainless steel like the 300 series (304, 308, 316, etc.) are the most susceptible to this phenomenon.

    Hot liquor tanks in particular are often first and most severely affected due to the presence of chlorides from the water, a relatively low pH environment (chlorides are buffered somewhat at pH levels above 9.5) and high temperatures.  Add some deposits from hard water (mineral scale) and you have created the ideal environment for stress corrosion cracking.

    Running your water through a RO system would completely remove all chlorides but is expensive.  Frequent passivation (monthly or more often as needed) can reduce the effect, but not completely eliminate it.  Failure of the vessel is rare, but the cracks can harbor microorganism. 

    Oxygen too is a contributing factor.  If the stainless is fully immersed or de-aerated water is present, SCC is rarely observed. There is a synergistic relationship between dissolved oxygen and the chloride level.  If the oxygen level is reduced to the 0.01 to 0.1 ppm range, aqueous solutions containing low to moderate chloride levels are not likely to crack austenitic alloys, such as 304L and 316L.  The normal solubility of O2 in water at room to moderate temperatures (e.g. up to 140°F/60°C) is 4.5 to 8 ppm at atmospheric pressure.

    The most susceptible austenitic grades have nickel contents in the range of 8 to 10 wt.%.  As a result, standard grades such as 304/304L and 316/316L are very susceptible to SCC.  Austenitic grades with relatively high nickel and molybdenum contents such as alloy 20, 904L, and the 6% molybdenum super austenitic grades have substantially better chloride SCC resistance.

    You can experience the same problem with acid CIP solutions and even water pipes.  Again, tensile stress and temperature are big contributors.

    The tank is probably still operational and probably will last for quite a while, but the SCC represents a problem with respect to the ability to form a passive layer and will therefore likely result in further damage down the line.  Remove the chlorides completely to eliminate the problem and further damage.

    Cheers,

      



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    Dirk Loeffler
    Executive Vice President
    Technical Operations
    SEKA Chemicals, LLC
    loeffler.dirk@sekachemicals.com
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