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  • 1.  High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-16-2025 08:04

    Hello everyone,

    Due to being a regional brewery in a rather small town, we have been collecting our brewery waste (brewhouse residuals, FV dumps, yeast, and hops) in a 60bbl effluent unitank. This waste is processed using a GEA CF 3000 decanter centrifuge and then pumped out to a 3000gal plastic holding tank outside to be picked up and shipped to a waste water treatment facility. This procedure has been in place since 2018 and has been problem free until now. 

    Recently, we noticed an increase in CO levels around the brewery (50ppm+). After walked around the brewery with the CO meter, it was determined that the CO was coming from the 60bbl effluent unitank spray ball port which we do not cap and use as a simple vent. The meter maxed at 1500ppm. We used a Honeywell 4-point gas monitor to verify and it maxed at 2000ppm. We have been able to fix this issue by venting directly outside and are continuously monitoring the brewery. I am quite unfamiliar with CO production aside from it being mainly caused from incomplete combustion from vehicles such as our LP forklift. 

    A quick google search yielded pyrolysis as a potential reason, but after speaking with the waste water facility, they said pyrolysis occurs around 500F. The side of the effluent tank is warm to the touch, more so than normal. Does anyone have any insight on what could be causing this CO production and how to mitigate it? 

    Cheers, 



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    Patrick McMahon
    Head Brewer
    Castle Danger Brewery
    Two Harbors, MN
    patrick@castledangerbrewery.com
    218-830-0629
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  • 2.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-16-2025 17:00

    Could it be microbial generation of CO?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969725004954

    As I'm sure you know, you are reading dangerous levels of CO;. IDLH = 1200 ppm.

    IDLH is "Immediately dangerous to life and health" which is safety jargon for it can kill you right then and there. Venting it outside may not alleviate the issue.



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    Roger Barth
    Emeritus Professor of Chemistry
    West Chester University
    Author (with Matthew Farber) of
    Mastering Brewing Science, 2nd Edition
    ISBN 978-1-119-78333-0
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  • 3.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-17-2025 11:00

    Hi Roger, 

    That is a good idea. If I can see Bacillus via microscopy, would that confirm the Wood-Ljungdahl pathway occurring? 



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    Patrick McMahon
    Head Brewer
    Castle Danger Brewery
    Two Harbors, MN
    patrick@castledangerbrewery.com
    218-830-0629
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  • 4.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-16-2025 17:02
    Hi Corey
    I experienced a similar issue many years ago at a large brewery I worked at. In our case it was due to inadvertent mixing of wort (that is, reducing sugars) with strong hot caustic in a confined space.
    Good Luck 
    Daniel Carey 
    New Glarus Brewing 


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    Daniel Carey
    Brewmaster
    New Glarus Brewing Company
    New Glarus WI
    (608) 527-5850
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  • 5.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-16-2025 17:40

    Hey Corey,

    We experienced the same thing when we entered and stirred up the sludge layer in our low COD wastewater tank a few years ago.  We pre-ventilated the space, made entry, but as soon as boots hit the muck in the bottom of the tank it stirred up dangerous levels of CO so we had to vacate the confined space and figure out a different method of cleaning it out.

    My research at the time indicated the same result as Dan Carey suggested.  Partially oxidized sugars that were in the low COD tank, leading to CO.  We don't try to eliminate the CO, so much as we just found ways to ventilate the tank differently so that we do not get exposed to CO when making entry, and we always do pre-entry and continuous gas monitoring for confined spaces.  Another win for the confined space gas meter!



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    David McClung
    Safety Manager
    Deschutes Brewery
    Bend OR
    (541) 385-8606
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  • 6.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-16-2025 17:46
    Edited by Walter Heeb 06-16-2025 21:59

    Hi Dan, 

    We do collect our caustic, however, it is pumped out to a different holding vessel and not mixed with the effluent tank in question. 

    Also, not sure why everyone is referring to me as "Corey", there must be a glitch in the discussion board coding/formatting. 

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    Patrick McMahon
    Head Brewer
    Castle Danger Brewery
    Two Harbors, MN
    patrick@castledangerbrewery.com
    218-830-0629
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  • 7.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-17-2025 13:26

    Hi Patrick,

     

    Dan's comments reminded me of an issue in a local plant a few years ago where a storage vat of sorghum liquid had generated CO that ended up killing a worker who entered the tank. At the time I recall thinking that surely they must be talking about CO2 from fermentation, but subsequent news articles confirmed it as CO, so maybe the excess sugars are a key here?

     

    Kind Regards,

    Steve Bradt | Craft Sales Representative

    Lawrence, KS 66044  – USA

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  • 8.  RE: High CO Levels in Effluent Tank

    Posted 06-17-2025 15:19

    Thanks Steve,

    In our case, the root cause was faulty valving that allowed 15 deg P wort to bleed into a pipe containing  a 2% caustic cleaner. I assumed the combination of simple sugars and alkaline detergent confined under pressure at elevated temperature and turbulent flow generated sufficient carbon monoxide. This caustic/wort mixture was pumped thru spray balls into a tank for CIP. This created a toxic high CO atmosphere.

    Regards,

    Dan