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  • 1.  Hazy IPA's dropping clear too quickly -- possible reasons

    Posted 02-20-2023 14:30

    Hi Everyone,
    I'm hoping you can help me troubleshoot an issue.  We're sometimes seeing our hazy IPA's drop clear within just a couple of weeks, or even in the bright tank over just a few days.  This is a newish issue over the past year for us, so it's vexing -- people expect a certain appearance in these beers.  Here's some info:

    *Typically our malt bills are very simple:  base malt plus 15-25% malted wheat and/or malted oats
    *Dry hopping typically these days at end of fermentation with 3-5lbs/bbl of T90

    Now, there is one obvious possible reason for this, which is that our yeast has slowly evolved into a different animal.  We have been top cropping and repitching our own house strain now for 300 generations.  It was originally a London Ale 3 type yeast.  The goal of our serial repitching being to evolve our own unique house strain.  Well, maybe we have evolved a strain that produces less stable haze.  Of course, I am hoping there is some other explanation because I love the character of our now-unique strain!  But I am at a loss.  It's frustratingly inconsistent.  Some things we've tried:

    -playing with different pH at knockout and at DH
    -dry hopping at various temperatures
    -additions of dextrin malt to grist
    -additions of raw wheat to grist
    -removing late-fermentation dry hop additions, moving DH exclusively to post-ferm

    Has anyone else dealt with hazy beers dropping clear and if so, how did you remedy?





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    Joe Grimm
    Brooklyn NY
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  • 2.  RE: Hazy IPA's dropping clear too quickly -- possible reasons

    Posted 02-21-2023 08:01
    Edited by Jim Betz 02-21-2023 08:01

    Have you tried getting a new pitch of London III and seeing if the same problem happens?  if the haze drops out of a fresh pitch at least that could tell you for sure it's not the yeast?



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    Jim Betz
    NY
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  • 3.  RE: Hazy IPA's dropping clear too quickly -- possible reasons

    Posted 02-21-2023 11:11
    Edited by Brendan Arnold 02-21-2023 11:12

    Have you looked at calcium levels? High total calcium could increase flocculation. We've also noticed that oats have a more stable protein haze than wheat.



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    Brendan Arnold
    Head Brewer
    Alternate Ending Beer Co
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