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  • 1.  Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-24-2024 15:29

    I'm having an issue with kegs in the market being returned for being foamy. For awhile, it was only beer that was 4-5 months old but now we're getting returns from one month old beer. I don't have a lab to detect any micro contamination, but our beer always tastes great and uninfected in our taproom. We've also never had a foamy keg in our taproom, which is where about half of our production volume is sold through.

    We sell our kegs through a distributor, which stores them cold until they're sold to an account.

    The kegs I'm using are about 5 years old or less, from keg leases I inherited from the former brewery owners. They are all stainless steel and from reputable manufacturers.

    I wash the kegs with a two head semi-auto keg washer that purges the kegs, rinses with 150 F water, caustic cycle, hot water rinse, PAA sainitizer, then charges to 11-12 psi of CO2. I've lengthened the times of most steps and a full cycle of cleaning 2 kegs is about 10 minutes. I don't use chemicals for more than 50 kegs, and check that after the last washing cycle, the caustic is still slippery and the PAA is still at an acceptable PPM. 

    We've had issues with haze in our beers, which I believe is coming from proteins from hot side production. About a year ago, I started adding Brausol Special post-fermentation to clarify with good results. About 6 months ago, I started also adding it to my wort post-whirlpool.

    Does anyone have any insight into what I'm doing wrong or should look into? Much appreciated.



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    Sam Wright
    North Shepherd Brewing
    Houston, TX
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  • 2.  RE: Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-25-2024 14:33

    Hi Sam, give me a call when you're able. We can discuss your keg washing machine in a bit more depth, the condition of the valves in your kegs, etc. Happy to assist with your troubleshooting.



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    Jon Graber
    Sales Manager, Packaging Division
    Micro Matic
    Portland OR
    (817) 403-1502
    Micro Matic
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  • 3.  RE: Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-25-2024 14:33

    What is the volume of CO2 in the returned keg?

    What was the finished gravity of the original beer when packaged? What is the specific gravity of the returned beer?



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    Mike Brown
    Cantara Wine & Spirits, Flat Fish Brewing
    Camarillo CA
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  • 4.  RE: Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-26-2024 20:44

    While there are many possible causes for foamy kegs, one of the first things to check is the keg seal that the keg coupler connects to. That seal has a square ridge in the middle of the gasket/seal that keeps the gas that is entering the headspace of the keg separate from the beer leaving the keg. If that seal gets a nick in it, then the CO2 entering the keg will take the path of least resistance and a percentage will instead push into the beer leaving the keg making foamy beer at the tap.

    When this is the root cause you often will only have a percentage of kegs that will foam on dispense from the keg run. The most common way this happens if your keg filler head or keg is not aligned properly and the stainless coupling piece hits the square shoulder taking a bite out of it. If this is the root cause then the frequency is dependent on the frequency of misalignment and the degree of damage when misaligned. Sometimes the seals are just so tired that they dry rot and have the same symptom.

    Hope this helps!

    D System
    Keg Filler Coupler



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    Travis Audet
    Slant Six Consulting
    Hooksett NH
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  • 5.  RE: Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-27-2024 04:58
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    Hello Sam-

    There are a host of issues that may be affecting your kegged beer. You know most of the culprits and you know that they each need to be eliminated, one-by-one. 

    My specialty was how gases affected beer, and I wrote a Technical Abstract for the MBAA Technical Quarterly issue number 3, 2016, that will help you determine if you have a gas issue. I believe a copy of that is attached to this message: TQ-53-3-0712-01.pdf

    My experience would lead me to the cold rooms of your customers to see if they may be over carbonating your beer by mistake. It happens frequently, where a customer, or their bartender, tries to fix a draught beer pouring issue and ends up spoiling the equilibrium of CO2 in the kegged beer. That could be adding CO2 pressure, changing the temperature of the cold room (up or down), or some other change in their system. I would encourage you to investigate this quickly, as this is where you lose the quality control of your quality system. 

    I hope this insight helps you find your problem.



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    Bob Bernier
    Retired from Matheson Gas
    Auburn, ME
    207-740-8256
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  • 6.  RE: Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-27-2024 04:58

    Have you pulled any spears to check the kegs for beerstone deposits? If you are not using any acid cleaning cycles, there is a good chance they have beerstone in them and that can cause foaming issues. Here is a link on using acid detergent for keg cleaning I authored:

    Keg Cleaning with Acid and Detergent Only | Birko Corp

    Hope this helps, please let me know if you have any questions or need anything else.


    Dana



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    Dana Johnson He/Him
    Sector Specialist, Craft Brewing
    Diversey - A Solenis Company
    Henderson, CO
    800.233.1000
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  • 7.  RE: Foamy kegs

    Posted 09-27-2024 08:23
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    Hi Sam,

    May there be peace in your life and community.

     I appreciate all replies form our members.

    I'd like to take the issue on the GUSHING's side to try to respond to the beer over foaming.

    Could you please investigate too on the ration of hop polyphenols and alpha acid?

    As you know there is two kinds of beer gushing: primary gushing and secondary gushing

    Primary gushing includes raw materials sanitary quality and raw materials varieties.

    Secondary gushing includes process: hopping, oversaturation CO2, glass rough edges, Ca oxalate crystals, turbidity etc.

    I advise you to take a look on this IBD publication : Inst. Brew. 116(4), 459–463, 2010 (see attached)

     Hop variety, hop polyphenols content vs beer over foaming



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    Paul Kapopo
    Brewing & Quality Trainer
    BRALIMA / HEINEKEN
    KINSHASA
    +243998943281
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