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  • 1.  Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-16-2023 18:08
    I have a keg system I converted from an old refrigerator. Every pour is about 90% foam. I've tried a wide range of co2 pressure from 5, all the way to 15 lbs. Can you suggest what I might be doing wrong?




  • 2.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-19-2023 12:56

    Is the faucet coming through the door? What temp is the fridge? What diameter is the beer line, and how long is it?



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    Warren Jewell
    Fort Myers Brewing Co
    Fort Myers FL
    (239) 313-6576
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  • 3.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-23-2023 13:06

    Hi Warren, yes the faucet comes through the door, the temp is about 30 degrees, and my line is 10 feet. Also, the diameter of the hose is 3/16 



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    Timothy Sackrider
    Materials Coordinator
    Bell's Brewery Inc
    Galesburg MI
    (269) 506-2140
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  • 4.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-19-2023 12:57

    check your liquid line hose is long enough, 8' minimum.  Check the diameter of that hose, smaller is better.



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    Ivan Dedek
    Brewmaster/Food Scientist
    Meier's Creek Brewing
    Cazenovia NY
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  • 5.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-19-2023 17:53

    Liquid line hose has no minimum requirement. In fact the shorter the distance between the keg and the faucet the better in any draft system. The longer the run, the more factors play a part in problems.



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    Brett Kintzer
    Brewmaster
    Swashbuckler Brewing Co.
    Reinholds PA
    (484) 755-0265
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  • 6.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-21-2023 10:01

    "Let's say, then, that you are using 1/4" inner diameter (ID) vinyl beverage line. According to the chart, it supplies 0.85 psi of resistance per foot of tubing. If you need to overcome 11.4 psi, then you'll need 11.4 psi ÷ 0.85 psi/ft = 13 feet of beverage line or so."

    Line length very much is a factor and can't be too short.



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    Ivan Dedek
    Brewmaster/Food Scientist
    Meier's Creek Brewing
    Cazenovia NY
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  • 7.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-19-2023 17:53

    So your refrigerator temperature and the carbonation volume are very important factors to let us know about. Also sometimes excessive foam on a draft system can be attributed to dirty lines, dirty faucet, or other problems with the keg itself or the coupler and might not have anything to do with the carb volume, temperature or pressure. If you can offer more specifics for the whole system and product the community should be able to help.



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    Brett Kintzer
    Brewmaster
    Swashbuckler Brewing Co.
    Reinholds PA
    (484) 755-0265
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  • 8.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-20-2023 21:24

    Draught beer requires appropriate calculations in order to have manageable foam production and carbonation. Go to the website at https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/a-balancing-act-how-to-balance-your-home-draft-system/ which will go through the basics of how to calculate how much hose is needed between the keg and faucet on a direct draw system (kegerator) based on your specific serving parameters. The summary of the article does a good job of telling you the basics of an appropriately designed system. 



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    Keith Lemcke
    Marketing Director
    Siebel Institute of Technology
    Chicago IL
    (312) 255-0705
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  • 9.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-21-2023 13:44

    I would agree with Keith on that link to get an overview of the basic concepts, and where you will see why as Ivan states, there are indeed minimum requirements for line length. Then you can use this handy dandy free tool from McDantim to quickly do the math required. Putting this on your phone can come in handy when in the field (or your home bar!). https://mcdantim.com/tools/calculator . On home systems, I'd would usually cut the line an extra foot longer than the calcs, since you can always trim it down (I've never had to). You'll need to have a line length that adds enough restriction to equal the PSI number. Restriction charts are all over the interwebs. 

    We haven't really heard about the source of the beer or carb level, but throw a good thermometer on top of your keg and leave it for an 30 min- 1hr. without opening the door, then read that temp. If you are buying commercial US brewery kegs, the carb level will generally be between 2.50-2.65, so with temp and carb level, you can manipulate the value in the calculator (or look at a chart) to reach that line length. Typically in a fridge system, you'll want 3/16" ID line (choker line), so you won't need so much length as 1/4", but 1/4 is often the smallest diameter at your local homebrew store. If you foresee occasionally getting a higher carb Belgian beer or German hefe, either go a little longer, or (preferably) have separate piece of hose for that. Choker has restriction of ~3 PSI/ft. The calcs may tell you ~5' is the length you need, but I've always still had some foaming at this length on a standard faucet with no restrictor. Ideally you just splurge for a faucet that does and your draught beer will get a lot simpler. Cut a 5' length of choker and put whatever on you want, and adjust the restrictor as necessary. 

    The quick and dirty answer with easy numbers is: I have always found 38F (A temp I prefer), 6-7 ft. of 3/16" vinyl line, and 12 psi to work great. If you like your beer colder, you'll be around 10-11 psi. 

    Cheers



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    Travis Hixon
    Half Acre Beer Co.
    Chicago IL
    travis.hixon@halfacrebeer.com
    (615) 944-7475
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  • 10.  RE: Excessive Foam

    Posted 06-22-2023 08:31
    Hello Tim-

    Keith directed you to the right place. Let me simplify this for you. Here is the most common "recipe" for a kegerator system.

    Keg pressure of CO2 = 12psi., cooler temperature is 38F, line length of 3/16" inside diameter vinyl beer line, including the shank for the faucet, is 60 inches. This will provide the right conditions for a perfect pour of a 2.6VOL brew. This is the most common conditions in a kegerator and it needs to be exactly these conditions. hints: measure temperature by leaving a liquid in the kegerator overnight and check the temperature with an accurate meat thermometer the following day. Spend the extra money to buy an accurate CO2 regulator- an old regulator probably doesn't measure the pressure accurately or will drift to a higher pressure overnight.

    If you cannot get these conditions in your system, the variables from these parameters can be determined using the BA information or you can download the McDantim "Easy Blend" App (free) on your cell phone and enter the specifics on your system. This will allow you to make adjustments and see how they affect the other settings in your system.

    I hope this helps you. Please understand that ALL of these parameters affect your draught beer pour. Email me and we can schedule a call to discuss, if needed. Best of luck.

    Cheers!
    Bob Bernier