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  • 1.  Ethyl Carbamate

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 10-20-2023 16:27
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Is anyone in the industry testing ethyl carbamate concentrations after fermentation? Bonus points if you are testing on a GCMS!



  • 2.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 10-22-2023 13:32

    Dear "anonymous"

    1) CFIA surveyed 125 samples of beer and found two samples with 2ppb,  <https://inspection.canada.ca/food-safety-for-industry/food-chemistry-and-microbiology/food-safety-testing-reports-and-journal-articles/ethyl-carbamate-in-alcoholic-beverages-and-vinegar/eng/1597087278233/1597088245822>

    In all sake, wine, spirit and liqueur samples, the levels of EC met Maximum Limits (MLs) established by Health Canada (HC)Footnote 9. There are no regulations in Canada for EC levels in beer.....  It would seem not to be a concern in Canada.

    2) In China, "Result of a survey of ethyl carbamate (EC) in beer was carried out by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC/MS). 217 samples were purchased from supermarkets in five cities of China. The concentrations of EC ranged from n.d. to 19.6 μg/kg with an average level of 2.2 μg/kg, and positive rate was 95.4%. Mean in domestic beer (N = 142, incidence 97.3%) was 1.8 μg/kg," <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0956713517301639>.

    3) From, <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02652039709374503>:Data on ethyl carbamate concentrations in beers purchased and analysed between 1988 and 1990 are presented. The concentrations in draught beers were uniformly below the detection limit of 1 μg/l. Canned beers contained rather more ethyl carbamate (up to 2.5 μg/l) which is considered to be due to their longer shelf‐life and higher alcohol content (in some cases). Bottled beers contained even higher amounts of ethyl carbamate (up to 14.7 μg/l) and this was considered to be due to the use of azodicarbonamide as a blowing agent in the beer bottle cap liners. It is understood that modifications to the liner have led to reduced concentrations in bottled beers produced more recently. 

    All of this information was looked up on GOOGLE SCHOLAR. 



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    Alex Speers B.Sc. (Agr.), Ph.D.,FIBD
    Kootenay Consulting
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  • 3.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 10-24-2023 13:25

    As Alex mentioned, fermentation can produce EC but at levels well below the regulatory thresholds (100-400ppb depending on country). The US has a voluntary limit of 125ppb but I believe that is only in spirits and not sure if beer is covered under that. 

    I am mostly curious as to the motivation to track EC during fermentation? This stems from an academic perspective as some of my graduate research focused on developing GN0 barley varieties for the distilling industry and I am curious if there is interest in these from a subset of the brewing community. If you were concerned with the low levels you could insist on GN0 barley from your suppliers. There are now commercially available options in the US and Canada and more coming. 



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    Campbell Morrissy, PhD
    Director of Brewery Operations
    pFriem Family Brewers
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  • 4.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 10-25-2023 13:46
    Edited by Andy Tveekrem 10-25-2023 14:20

    This is also heavily driven by the nutrient package that you provide the yeast. I've seen high variation in seltzer base (from nearly 0 to well above the legal/health limits) depending on the nutrient - DAP, Fermpro, Winemakeri, Urea, BSG, Gusmer, etc.)

    If you're making wine, seltzer, cider or other low nutrient beverages, it's a good idea to know where you are at, especially if your distribution takes you into Canada. And continue to explore/optimize your recipes.

    Beer doesn't usually have much of an issue with EC manifestation - for reasons I can only speculate being related to FAN, fermentation velocity and other trace minerals.

    Cheers!


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    Tim Faith
    Brewing Manager / Brewmaster
    Octopi Brewing
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  • 5.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 17 days ago

    Yes, we are testing for EC for our product made for Quebec. If you have questions, please feel free to reach out! We did a lot of work to get EC in spec post-fermentation. 



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    Lauren Behrmann
    Technical Brewing Manager
    Mark Anthony Brewing
    8175285280
    lbehrmann@mabrewing.com
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  • 6.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 16 days ago

    I would think the biggest concern here would be in seltzer base fermentations, not in beer. We are making products for a brewery that is testing for this in the aging stock of their seltzer base, around 19% abv after primary fermentation and filtration. After secondary filtration, it is not a concern of the amount of carbamates increasing, and as such the only issue is getting the product through secondary filtration as quickly as possible after the end of fermentation. 



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    James Bruner, M.Sc.
    City Brewery - Irwindale, CA
    jbruner@citybrewery.com
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  • 7.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 15 days ago

    This is interesting and a bit cryptic at the same time.  So there is EC in all malt whiskey which does not use GN zero malt, but what about this seltzer thing.  How and why is EC in this base, due to its strength, copper along the way?  Perhaps using Hulless barley malt or GN zero malt would be a thing.  I seem to be missing something.  Many thanks in advance if someone can help with these questions.

     

    Mike

     






  • 8.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 12 days ago
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    The short answer is urea + ethanol = EC. Urea is commonly used in seltzer fermentation nutrients for yeast (cheaper than DAP). Also, GN zero malt still has some GN. AMBA's guideline for GN0 malt is <= 0.5mg/KG. 

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  • 9.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 15 days ago

    Recognizing this thread is old I still wanted to point to an excellent paper on this topic:

    Ethyl Carbamate in Fermented Beverages: Presence, Analytical Chemistry, Formation Mechanism, and Mitigation Proposals

    Zhihua Jiao, Yachen Dong, and Qihe Chen 

    Comprehensive Reviews in Food Science and Food Safety, Vol. 13, 2014

    https://ift.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1541-4337.12084

    It covers the science and measurement methods.

    It is a paid access article for those that do not have institutional access (University etc.).



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    Travis Audet
    Slant Six Consulting
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  • 10.  RE: Ethyl Carbamate

    Posted 12 days ago

    Jumping in a little late here, but yes, GC-MS is one of the main ways people approach ethyl carbamate analysis, especially when you are working at low concentrations and in these beverage matrices.

    We don't currently have a broadly accepted/validated ASBC method for ethyl carbamate in brewery or distillery matrices. There are published methods out there, including GC-MS and GC-MS/MS approaches, and the Jiao et al. review Travis linked is a useful overview of the broader analytical landscape. Also, just putting out there that there are quite a few fundamental papers out there on the barley contribution part and on other foods/beverages, but not necessarily seltzers. 

    So if someone is testing post-fermentation samples, especially something like a high-ABV seltzer base, I'd want to ask the lab a few basic questions: what method are they using, what matrix was it validated in, what are the detection and quantitation limits, and are they confident the sample prep works for that specific product?

    There is also work being done right now through ASBC-related efforts to figure out where validated methods are needed for distilled and adjacent beverage products, and EC is one of those.

    I'd just be cautious about comparing numbers across labs unless the method, sample prep, validation, and reporting limits are really well understood. If you have other questions about methods being used, feel free to reach out. 



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    Harmonie Bettenhausen, Ph.D.
    James B. Beam Institute for KY Spirits, University of KY
    hbettenhausen@uky.edu
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