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  • 1.  Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-09-2025 15:01

    Over the past 2-3 years, I've been slowly rebooting our QA/QC lab - drawing inspiration from a few MBAA podcasts we're collecting more library cans off the packaging line, and have modified how we do sensory panels to accurately gauge our packaged beers.  Beyond that, I've started testing packaged beers in HLP tubes; and we've put a decent amount of time into tracking results in spreadsheets.

    I've got a lot of good information, but it's only from the very end of the process, which leads to the concerns that our Head Brewer has:  There's no practical way to use the data that we gather from our canned beer because there are SO many variables upstream from there.

    I've heard that there are some resources online about building more functions into a beer QA/QC lab on a shoestring budget, but I've got no idea where to start looking.  Can any of you share resources that you've found success with?



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    Doug Kadzban
    Holland MI
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  • 2.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-10-2025 13:41

    Here is a great resource on the American Society of Brewing Chemists site: https://www.asbcnet.org/lab/pages/default.aspx 



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    Heather Obatusin
    Region Sales Manager
    Hach
    Rio Rancho NM
    (505) 206-0760
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  • 3.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-10-2025 15:44

    Here's a MBAA webinar on this exact topic!

    Lab on the Cheap

    State Guilds often have some good resources. Here are a couple posts from the Colorado guild on the topic (granted they are a few years old, so take any prices mentioned with a grain of salt):

    So You Want to Add a Brewing Lab? - Colorado Brewers Guild

    Shelf Life On A Budget - Colorado Brewers Guild

    The BA and ASBC also have had a number of presentations on the topic, though these may be behind a paywall if you are not a BA member. I highly recommend looking at past years' CBC presentations, many of the more recent years you can download the presentation and follow along to an audio recording. Here is an example of an older presentation on the topic that is behind that membership paywall:

    Brewing Quality on a Budget: How to Use a Little to Do a Lot - Brewers Association

    Helpfully, here are a couple of resources that appear to be in front of the paywall from them as well:

    BATech17 - Engineering subcommittee Brewery Lab resource - 201

    PowerPoint Presentation

    Also, yeast companies have done some great work on developing such resources too:

    Lab Basics on a Budget | Top Crop

    Brewer's Lab Handbook

    Lastly, check for articles on the topic. Here's one from Brew your Own:

    Vetting Your Brew: Starting a quality control program - Brew Your Own

    Outside of all that, check auction sites if there is a specific piece of equipment that you are looking for (but it's always recommended to get used equipment serviced).



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    Alan Windhausen
    Technical Sales Manager
    Murphy & Son Inc
    Arvada CO
    (720) 271-5541
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  • 4.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-10-2025 15:43

    Aside from post-packaging / archived samples, what other samples/data do you regularly collect? Do you have a DO meter? Depending on the size of your facility, I could see something like general fermentation tracking (daily gravity / pH measurements) being handled by either the head brewer or a dedicated QA/QC person. Beyond this, however, there are several easy low-budget assays that are easy to perform during fermentation.

    One of the easiest and most useful processes you can implement is forced VDK testing. After primary fermentation is complete, I presume you are increasing your fermenter temperature by several degrees (VDK rest) to assist the yeast in processing residual diacetyl into acetoin. How do you know whether levels of diacetyl will actually stay below sensory threshold in the package? This is where VDK force testing comes in: take a sample of beer from the fermenter during your VDK rest phase and split it into two sample glasses (optionally, use a Buchner funnel/flask to filter/degas the samples). Cover the samples (I typically use a piece of heavy duty plastic wrap and a hair tie), set one aside (control), and put the other sample into a 140-160F water bath for ~15 minutes. Cool the "cooked" sample down to room temperature, and then smell the two samples side by side. The heating process will convert diacetyl precursors quickly into VDK compounds and, if enough precursors were present in the sample, this will be apparent as a buttery/butterscotch aroma or slick mouth-feel in the experimental sample (and hopefully not present in the control). After a sample "passes" this forced diacetyl sensory test, it should be safe to cold crash the beer (we typically make sure a beer passes two days in a row before crashing).

    Beyond this, if you have access to a DO meter (Hach Orbisphere, Anton-Paar Cbox, etc), make sure you are using it to track oxygen pickup during tank-to-tank transfers and especially during packaging. You can test both kegs and canned products (with the right equipment) during packaging runs to ensure you aren't picking up excessive amounts of DO, and cross-reference this after the fact with your archived samples to see how this correlates with long-term package stability. You can also use a DO meter to verify whether a brite tank is adequately purged before filling.

    Several other important and relatively easy/cheap lab/QA/QC tasks, in no particular order: collecting sterile samples during knock-out to verify you're not picking up any microbes in your HEX or knock-out lines, performing cell counts using a benchtop microscope and a special gridded counting slide called a hemocytometer to verify your pitching rates, using an ATP meter to verify cleanliness of surfaces / tanks / rinse water, using a hand-held O2 probe to ensure proper wort oxygenation during knock-out, titrating chemicals regularly to verify you are dosing at the correct concentration, regularly sending brewing water samples to a third-party lab to track variances in your water profile over time... the list could easily go on, depending on how many resources (time, personnel, equipment) you have to dedicate to your QA program.

    Finally, I'd recommend getting a good book on the topic. Something like Quality Management, Essentials Planning for Breweries by Pellettieri is a good starting point (hopefully specific book recs don't violate any forum rules).



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    Alex Green
    Quality Assurance Manager
    Black Tooth Brewing Co
    Sheridan WY
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  • 5.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-12-2025 14:00
    Edited by Walter Heeb 03-12-2025 17:31

    Alex, great stuff here, I used the forced VDK methodology early in my career and also teach this in my brewing Science classes at CSU. It is important to understand that this is a qualitative test, and accuracy is subject to the testers ability to perceive daicetyl, best to train with known concentrations across different brands. Another important aspect of this test is that it is imperative to filter out the yeast before heating up the sample as there is a high probability that the yeast will take up diacetyl faster than the conversion of a-acetolactate to diacetyl. In other works, if yeast is left in the sample it may result in a false negative. Cheers!

    Jeff



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    Jeff Biegert
    NBB Sponsored CSU Fermentation Science & Technology Faculty & Brewmaster
    Lean Six Sigma Black Belt
    New Belgium Brewing Co
    Fort Collins CO
    (970) 221-0524
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  • 6.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-11-2025 14:04

    Yeast by White and Zainasheff has a great section on setting up a lab. If I recall, they make a point of highlighting ways to do so without breaking the bank. It might be worth taking a look!



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    Nassim Sultan
    Beer-talkin' guy
    BarrelVision
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  • 7.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-12-2025 13:59
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    Doug,

    I just received this micro eBook so thought I'd share



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    Doug Hindman
    Brewery Ops Manager
    Elliott Bay Brewing Co.
    Seattle, WA
    (206) 445-4174
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  • 8.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-13-2025 18:11

    Hi Doug,

    HLP is a great medium, and if you are retaining samples and running a sensory program, that's one of the most valuable QA tools you can use.  It sounds like you want to expand your QA testing program.  But I would recommend you use the data you have before you do any additional testing.  You might start a micro' program just out of curiosity, or zeal for quality.  But even just running HLP on finished package samples costs your brewery money; you should have an action plan for the results you get.

    I see your head-brewer's point about your end-of-process result hinging on too many variables.  But that sounds like a cop-out to me.  HLP is a highly selective medium, and if you have a history of positive results I would say that means your brewery is running at high risk.  Just because you cannot pin-point the contamination vector doesn't mean your brewers should sit on their hands.  Use the data you have to drive change at your brewery.

    If your facility has not had any spoilage incidents (that anyone is aware of), the brewers/ops will often use this fact to tell the quality department "Everything it fine.  We are doing things the same way we have always done them and we have never had any problem.  So, we don't need to change anything."  Overcoming this entrenched mind-set is often the hardest part of the quality manager's job.  But even a single positive HLP result is evidence that operations are definitely not okay and need to improve.  If you can't get brewing/ops to see this, then there is really no point in expanding or even continuing your testing program.

    Personally, I enjoy doing lab work- especially micro' testing.  But an effective QA manager can't just hide out in the lab.  You need to be on the production floor directly supporting operations, finding and correcting problems.  Start with things that you can see without any testing.  Are the cellar(wo)men inspecting CIP shadows, scrubbing the insides of man-way gaskets and side-ports?  Are your sanitary gaskets flared, cracked or mangled?  Is the sanitizer clean and at the correct concentration?  Do you have slime growing around glycol fittings, or mildew on the sides of your tanks?  Are there places where beer/water gathers in pools or cracks in the floor, or places that are continuously damp with condensate?  Does your packaging line look and smell clean and fresh on Monday morning?  How well do you contain grain dust?  Find some problems and fix them.  Then (maybe) expand your micro' program to monitor and assure the problem is under control.

    If you can engage your operations staff and close the loop on the micro' results you already have, you will make much more effective use of any data you generate in the future.  Ideally, you shouldn't have to thrust lab results in anyone's faces.  Your ops staff should come to recognize what a powerful resource you provide, and they should be demanding data from the QA department.



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    Cullen Dwyer
    Brewer/Cellar/QA
    Lunenburg MA
    (978) 874-9965x1160
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  • 9.  RE: Developing actionable lab/QC practices on a budget?

    Posted 03-14-2025 14:09
    Edited by Walter Heeb 03-14-2025 18:23

    @Cullen Dwyer's response is fantastic and I can't add anything to it other than to emphasize one of his points: the fact that there are many variables should not hold you back from taking action. Breweries are complicated manufacturing plants. If a test leads to a positive result, it may take some time to find the source of that positive result and it may not be easy. But it will be time well spent: not only will you find out where you're having problems, but in the process you may uncover other areas that need to be tightened up. I will add that even though breweries are complicated plants, they're not so complicated that you can't figure out where problems are coming from. In that way, your head brewer is incorrect to say that there's no practical way to use the data.

    I think it's also important, though, to consider where your head brewer is coming from. I'm sure they are already feeling like their plate is full and that they are being pulled in a million directions and that taking the time to find the source of a problem is just one more item. It could be that that's why they said that there's no practical way to use the data: not because that's true (because it simply isn't) but because they're so loaded up with tasks that they needed to come up with a reason why they can't without simply saying "I'm overloaded". 

    You may need to have a conversation with your head brewer to find a way to make it feasible to actually do the investigations that may be necessary to find problems. It could be that, based on that conversation, your head brewer has so much on their plate that it isn't feasible to take on yet another task. If this is the case, you may need to call in outside help.

    In the long run, having a well run facility that produces high quality products means that you're going to have to take the time and effort to chase down trouble spots. 

    Good luck!

    Nassim



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    Nassim Sultan
    Beer-talkin' guy
    BarrelVision
    nassim@barrel.vision
    https://barrel.vision
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