Great information from the other contributors on the process aspects of mix proof valves. In larger operations these systems are just about essential for labor savings, efficiency and product consistency. But I want to chime in on mix proof valve maintenance. You should consider isolation valves in any valve cluster design. Keep in mind that valve seats and seals need regular service and replacement. I have seen valve designs installed so that the entire tank cellar had to be taken out of service to change out one valve seat. A good design allows for tanks to be isolated with automated or hand operated valves. Also allow for space around the matrix so the maintenance guys have some room to work! The maintenance aspect should not be an afterthought in mix proof matrix designs.
One more thing, echoing Aston, make sure that the tank inlet/outlet line from the matrix can be cleaned after filling the tank with wort and forward flushed to attain complete cleaning during CIP.
Cheers,
Karl
Consulting Brewer
Karl Ockert Brewing Services LLC
www.ockertbrewserv.com
Cell: 503-887-1938
Original Message:
Sent: 9/15/2023 3:43:00 PM
From: Scott Maines
Subject: RE: Dead-legs in mixproof valve networks
Hello Zandy.
Thanks for the thoughtful question on mixproofs! Although written in a previous reply, a good designer/integrator/programmer can certainly minimize product/CIP losses. The "pushes" are fairly contained on the fluid transitions, and the transitions can be anticipated. Yes, mixproofs(double seats) manifolds, combined with butterflies(sometimes block & bleed) makes for a very efficient process. By efficient, I mean we can save footprint in the facility, labor of product or CIP changes, swing panel connection errors, and general safety of stepping over a maze of hoses. I think the major factor in determining if mixproofs are right for you is really a matter of capital costs. For a small to medium size brewery, any product losses are frowned upon. At a medium-large facility, that product loss percentage goes way down. It's a matter of scale. We have many thousands of mixproofs in larger brewery manifolds across the USA and globe. On the larger scale, product losses become minimal, where errors, labor and safety go way up. Although it would seem like a win-win for any brewery, you also must consider investment costs. The ROI for smaller breweries can be a struggle to justify. Double Seat valves and manifolds need programming/integrating, so there are significant dollars up front and maintenance as well. I would be happy to discuss in more detail with you at any time. (uploaded a few videos, as well)
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Scott Maines
NE Regional Sales Manager
Pentair Sudmo Haffmans
Perrysburg OH
(419) 324-5795
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-13-2023 15:20
From: A Z
Subject: Dead-legs in mixproof valve networks
I've never personally worked with mixproof valve matricies, but have spent a fair bit of time recently researching them and was hoping for some insight from anyone who has experience working with or designing these.
My question is, how are unacceptably long dead-legs avoided when using a matrix of mixproof valves? A lot of what I'm reading or seeing either glosses over this entirely or seems to indicate dead-legs are acceptable.
For example, in this illustration of a five-tank valve matrix allowing multiple concurrent operations (filling, CIP, emptying &c), it's indicated by the colored flow paths that any process fluid basically spreads out to occupy the whole volume of both pipes to which it's connected, despite being connected at a single point.
(I do get that these examples are simplified demonstrations only and don't reflect actual practice, but I suppose those possible differences are what I'm wondering about)
But, here's another valve matrix from the same manufacturer, with only mixproof valves aligned in rows (this seems closer to what I'd expect given what I've read):
Even many piping and instrumentation diagrams seem to show it's common-place to just have grids of mixproof valves butted directly up against one another:
I can guess the practical ways of dealing with this without additional shut-off valves between the mixproof valves (clever sequencing of valves, flushing all pipes pre- and post-run, &c). And I can imagine CIP isn't an issue, given that a whole pipe must be flushed and cleaned after use. I'm more trying to wrap my head around what happens at changeovers, such as between sanitizer and product. Would the product be flushed out to fill both sanitized pipes, even "upstream" of the destination? Is there a reliance on very little mixing occurring at the interface, as the product simply bypasses that path? What if you're talking about a fully-drained pipe? Are these dead-legs not even an issue in practice, since the valves seem to be packed quite close together? Or is it all taken care of in the design and sequencing of process steps?
There's just something about this that's never quite aligned with my intuition and experience, and so I'd appreciate anyone who's able to chime in.
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Zandy Zeiser
Brewer-at-large
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