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  • 1.  Clarex and yeast harvesting/repitching

    Posted 10-01-2020 18:18
    Has anyone used Brewer's Clarex in a beer from which you harvest yeast and pitch into a hazy IPA or pale ale? If so, have you noticed any difference in haze/clarity? 

    Is anyone reading this an authority on Clarex and what happens to the enzyme post-fermentation and whether it would be in high enough concentration to have an effect on a hazy IPA if the yeast was reused?

    THANK YOU!

    Dave Chichura
    Ex Novo Brewing
    Corrales, NM



  • 2.  RE: Clarex and yeast harvesting/repitching

    Posted 10-02-2020 13:16

    I use Clarex in all my beers because I want the haze out. I can achieve FTU <10 in all of my beers without any fining or filtration. There's also a benefit where only one person in my entire career had a gluten reaction to my beer and he was SUPER celiac. 

    As for haze, you ain't getting it. I'm aiming for FTU of 20 to 80 on some recipes and I cannot get hazy enough. If you use Clarex you ain't getting haze.

    However, my hefeweizen is now dry hopped and I can keep FTU 30 after a week on tap. Cascade at 6 points before terminal and Centennial 24 hours later have helped that cloud stability.



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    Mike Wayne
    Brewmaster
    Boomstick Brewing Co
    Corner Brook
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  • 3.  RE: Clarex and yeast harvesting/repitching
    Best Answer

    Posted 10-05-2020 16:09
    From the literature, and conversations with others studying this, Clarex is fairly stable in beer. There may even be evidence that the enzyme still has some level of activity in 6-month old, non-pasteurized, packaged beer. I'm hoping the folks working on that will join the discussion and correct me, if I am wrong. If you are not taking steps to inactivate the enzyme, there is a possibility that it is still active.

    Given the variables, I cannot speak to whether any enzyme carried over in a re-pitch will have a detectable effect upon the haze character of your beer. I would assume the effects would be negligible and ineffective as the haze-promoting compounds should outcompete the low dosage of enzyme. Nor, can I speak to any batch differences, as Clarex is present in all of our beers (gluten-reduction purposes at the request of customers- we do NOT consider the beers gluten-free). However, we brewed and released a hazy pale ale about 2 months ago. This beer was brewed and dosed with Clarex, according to manufacturer recommendations for gluten-reduction purposes given the recipe, which are higher than haze reduction dosage rates. No haze-creating or stabilizing additives were used beyond the malts and hops, themselves. The beer is still very cloudy to the point of being opaque. I hope this speaks to your questions.

    There are many ways to make a beer cloudy, but creating a stable haze is very difficult. Clarex works very well at preventing chill haze, but I don't believe it is meant to address all forms of haze/ cloudiness. As such, I don't think the low level of carry-over in a yeast re-pitch should have a strong effect upon your beer, particularly given that the clarifying effects are very-much dose dependent. I would look elsewhere in your process if you are seeing a high degree of variation, but I am happy to discuss this further.

    Cheers!

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    Franklin Winslow
    Brewer
    Tarboro Brewing Co
    Tarboro NC
    Franklin@TarboroBrewingCompany.com
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  • 4.  RE: Clarex and yeast harvesting/repitching

    Posted 10-12-2020 14:07
    Interesting responses, and I appreciate them all. Looks like we'll just have to do some small scale tests ourselves and see how it works for our beers. It is encouraging to hear Franklin's experience with successfully making hazies with the same yeast. 

    Thanks a bunch, y'all!

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    Dave Chichura
    Ex Novo Brewing
    Corrales, NM
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  • 5.  RE: Clarex and yeast harvesting/repitching

    Posted 10-05-2020 13:03

    Hey Dave,

    I'm not an authority on Brewers Clarex specifically, but can speak to enzymes. Generally any enzyme that is added to your product/beer has a pretty short half life, as the beer is a hostile environment to active enzymes (low pH, alcohol, etc.). So the Clarex is probably toast within a few days to a week depending on your fermentation temps and cellaring temps. 

    The personal experience on this front was with ALDC enzyme being added at yeast pitch. When the beer was being dry hopped about 1 week later and refermentation happened, there was a diacetyl spike which means the ALDC enzyme had been inactivated over that period of time. 



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    Jason McCammon
    Technical Sales & Product Specialist
    ATP Group
    Denver, CO
    720-788-1222
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